"It's not enough to develop a product on post-its."

A podcast for innovators, free spirits and new thinkers.

Everyone can be creative. But how do we turn this into innovations, new products, new business models? Dr. Martin Kiel, the black frame.think tank, Dortmund / udk Berlin, and Volker Ruff, matrix. You will discover the role of innovation hubs.

dr Martin Kiel heads the think tank "the black frame" and teaches at the Berlin University of the Arts. He moves between the poles of business and art. 

Volker Ruff heads the business development of matrix GmbH & Co. KG. He is currently passionately developing the Innovation Hubs business area as the basis for cooperative work and innovation.